[Sausuna]

Ok. Well wonder how that got a c horae hoard then if the Apororetic sorcerers are at the Ark?

This is specifically addressed in the TUC glossary.

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Sakarpus—A city of the Ancient North located in the heart of the Istyuli Plains, and, aside from Atrithau, the only city to survive the Apocalypse. Originally a trade outpost on the caravan route delivering Ûmeri wares in exchange for Shigeki spices, the fortunes of Sakarpus long depended on the fortunes of trade in Eärwa. The “Lonely City,” as it was called even in Far Antique days, grew as the civilization developing around the Three Seas came to covet the status conveyed by Norsirai textiles and manufactured goods. As Kyraneas and Shir waxed as markets, so did Sakarpus wax as a regional power. The most shrewd of its many decrees in those days, was the Chorae Toll, the demand that merchant families donate Chorae as the price of purchase for (generally lifelong) trade indulgences, a practice which lead to the accumulation of the famed Chorae Hoard—which, legend insists, induced the No-God to bypass the city during the Apocalypse.

[MSJ]

This is specifically addressed in the TUC glossary.

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Thank you!

[Duskweaver]

I agree on all accounts except that it was even before the Consult. The Inchoroi gave Chorae and the Tusk to the Tribes of Men.
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The Consult began with the School of Mangaecca breaking into the Ark and finding Aurax and Aurang.

Yes, I was imprecise with my terms. I keep forgetting they're not technically 'The Consult' until Men join them.

[Cynical Cat]

The Aporos was banned to keep it out of the hands of the Inchoroi, who had been able to convince parts of Viri to ally with them and who also possessed hyper tech death rays and other pieces of sci-fi badassery.  Some Aporetics defected to the Inchoroi and made Chorae to protect their masters and arm their servants, but they only got so much mileage over the latter as Sranc and Bashrag are too stupid to be good at using Chorae.  This lead to the Inchoroi trying to subvert the human vassals of the Nonmen and the humans giving their Chorae to their Nonman masters in tribute out of fear of the Nonmen's wrath.  That in turn lead the Inchoroi to give the men beyond the gates the Tusk. 

[SmilerLoki]

The Aporos was banned to keep it out of the hands of the Inchoroi

I actually don't remember this stated as the initial reason with any kind of clarity. As far as I remember, the information available can be interpreted as Aporos being forbidden even before the Arkfall.

[JerakoKayne]

The basic idea is this: the Quya first developed the Aporos in the prosecution of their own
intercine wars, but it was quickly forbidden. The arrival of the Inchoroi allowed several
renegade Quya to pursue their sorcerous interrogations, leading to the production of tens of
thousands of Chorae, which were used throughout the Cuno-Inchoroi wars.

[Sausuna]

The quote is much appreciated, Jerako! Though, the why isn't well elucidated in that statement. It sounds like either it was too devastating or perhaps sacrilege. I've had kind of a pet theory that somehow chorae relate to oblivion in a way. But yeah, it did sound like (even before) that it was banned some time ago for reasons.

[H]

The quote is much appreciated, Jerako! Though, the why isn't well elucidated in that statement. It sounds like either it was too devastating or perhaps sacrilege. I've had kind of a pet theory that somehow chorae relate to oblivion in a way. But yeah, it did sound like (even before) that it was banned some time ago for reasons.

I always figured that it was too much of an existent threat to the Noman power balance.  Chorae were certainly a threat that could push power from Quya to Ishroi if they got their hands on them.  No doubt the Quya would not want such a dramatic shift in the balance of power.

[Sausuna]

The quote is much appreciated, Jerako! Though, the why isn't well elucidated in that statement. It sounds like either it was too devastating or perhaps sacrilege. I've had kind of a pet theory that somehow chorae relate to oblivion in a way. But yeah, it did sound like (even before) that it was banned some time ago for reasons.

I always figured that it was too much of an existent threat to the Noman power balance.  Chorae were certainly a threat that could push power from Quya to Ishroi if they got their hands on them.  No doubt the Quya would not want such a dramatic shift in the balance of power.

I'm really conflicted and still need to look into more. I might have mentioned it elsewhere.

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There are a couple things that get me on the Oblivion track as of late.
- Sorcerers tend to consider/see Chorae as 'pinpricks of oblivion'.
- The layman term for them are Tears of God, perhaps relating to Oblivion being related to The Absolute, and the strangeness of The Survivor huffing a Nonman king.
- The odd interaction with The Judging Eye, a Chorae, and furthering the 'tear of god' idea.
- The Dunyain's recent comments on the No-God being related to The Absolute. And perhaps how Oblivion might relate to that Subject/Object crush. I think there was a comment too how the Dunyain drew the idea of Absolute from Nonmen practice of seeking Oblivion (which is a word I forget off-hand).

[SmilerLoki]

The word you're forgetting would be "Elision".

[Sausuna]

The word you're forgetting would be "Elision".

Yes, thank you. Forgot one minor detail to the theory.

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Related to this, the idea of The Deepest Deep. In that further down is sort of an Oblivion torpos. And perhaps relating this with the world being more objective than the Outside. So just more possible tie-ins with The Absolute, Oblivion, and The God of Gods stuff.

Need to gather it all at some point for another thread.

[Duskweaver]

'Elision' is most likely the act of "hiding one's Voice" (c.f. the use of the term in linguistics) from the Agencies of the Outside, rather than the act of seeking Oblivion per se. Of course, the former seems to be a necessary (but not sufficient) prerequisite for succeeding at the latter.

The Deepest Deep is doubly interesting, because in Nonman metaphysics geographic depth is associated with the past. The implication may be that the Nonmen were not always damned, and that one of the theoretical approaches to seeking Oblivion lies in recovering that lost past (perhaps by de-evolving one's soul to a pre-sapient state, hence becoming invisible to Judgement just as animals are?)

[Wilshire]

This was an interesting thread. Some thoughts still left half thought, or unanswered. Still great though.