[BabyKellhus]

So in the glossary the entry for the inverse fire says it's a subparticular intentional field machine, is this just another type of hologram?

[EDIT Madness: Title.]

[Cnaiür vs Karsa vs Drogo]

So in the glossary the entry for the inverse fire says it's a subparticular intentional field machine, is this just another type of hologram?

If by hologram, you mean "made-up, nonsensical group of words," then yes, it's a hologram.

[The Sharmat]

I like to imagine before he was traumatized that Aurax was the Inchoroi version of Scotty from Star Trek.

[BabyKellhus]

Poor Aurax, didn't even see it coming haha

[Woden]

Well, one thing that makes no sense for me is that Kellhus, Cnaiur, even Serwa and Kosoter (if the JE is right) evade damnation becoming ciphrangs or hungers of the Outside or whatever the fuck they become. Why Shae and the senior members of the Consult cannot, they have (at least) the same will of power and resilience than the others to Ascend? Maybe they were convinced of their damnation because they were cheated by the visions of the IF.

[Cynical Cat]

Kellhus conquers Hell (or perhaps has always ruled Hell).  The others are devoted to things (like HATE) other than just dodging damnation (although Kosoter clearly has that on his mind too).   If its a crapshoot, if the odds are being full of hate is just going to make you prime food in the Outside, then it changes nothing.  Damnation is still the likely result.  There's another option, in that the Inverse Fire could be poor at distinguishing between ruling Hell on a black iron throne and burning in Hell as Ciphrang food.   

[Redeagl]

Ruling Hell is still Damnation. I think of it that way, there is a room called HELL, The Gods keep throwing people in and closing the door, whatever the people do inside is their business. So, it's not a very good alternative.

[Woden]

But if you are a hunger there and not fodder, hell ain't a bad place to be.

[The Sharmat]

Kellhus conquers Hell (or perhaps has always ruled Hell).

Does he?

[TLEILAXU]

Well, one thing that makes no sense for me is that Kellhus, Cnaiur, even Serwa and Kosoter (if the JE is right) evade damnation becoming ciphrangs or hungers of the Outside or whatever the fuck they become. Why Shae and the senior members of the Consult cannot, they have (at least) the same will of power and resilience than the others to Ascend? Maybe they were convinced of their damnation because they were cheated by the visions of the IF.

I think it's because you need a subconscious hunger to become a Ciphrang. The God hates premeditation. That's why Shae was so damned, because he was very smart and aware being one of the most cunning sorcerers of all time.

[The Sharmat]

What was Serwa's hunger?

[Simas Polchias]

But if you are a hunger there and not fodder, hell ain't a bad place to be.

It may be more uncertain. Like you are a newborn hunger for a weak meat, but still a weak meat for a stronger, deeper, ancient hunger. Or there is a problem with maintaining the "you"-part. Cnaiür, Horiötha? Ouch, doesn't matter in the Outside -- it just merges all prominent scylvendi conquerors into one Scyll cyphrang.

[Cynical Cat]

Kellhus conquers Hell (or perhaps has always ruled Hell).

Does he?

Until we get scenes taking part in the Outside, we don't know for sure either way.  We don't know for sure that Serwa and Kosoter are Ciphrang and not just really damned.

[Woden]

Yes, it's pure speculation but it's all we have till the next book in a couple of years.

[The Sharmat]

I see no reason to think he conquers hell besides his stated intent to do so. Things didn't go as planned.