[MSJ]

Not sure, but I think its important to remember that they Mandate have a... Mandate ... to relinquish the Gnosis when the end of the world is nigh.

If so then why wouldn't Kellhus have to use the trick to be able to give the Gnosis to Kellhus? I'm not so sure Kellhus actually spoke to Seswatha, but rather some trick of his to take it from Akka. Having a hard time getting across my point. But, if that was the Mandate to spread the Gnosis, then why the trouble? Because, Kellhus hasn't grasped the heart?

[H]

Not sure, but I think its important to remember that they Mandate have a... Mandate ... to relinquish the Gnosis when the end of the world is nigh.

If so then why wouldn't Kellhus have to use the trick to be able to give the Gnosis to Kellhus? I'm not so sure Kellhus actually spoke to Seswatha, but rather some trick of his to take it from Akka. Having a hard time getting across my point. But, if that was the Mandate to spread the Gnosis, then why the trouble? Because, Kellhus hasn't grasped the heart?

I don't recall this being said, but I am on the hunt for a citation of this.

[MSJ]

Don't you remember when Akka we going t I start teaching cents to Kellhus, he couldn't speak? Then the talk with Ses. What I'm saying is if that is the Mandate, to share the Gnosis, then at y would Kellhus have to intervene?

[H]

Don't you remember when Akka we going t I start teaching cents to Kellhus, he couldn't speak? Then the talk with Ses. What I'm saying is if that is the Mandate, to share the Gnosis, then at y would Kellhus have to intervene?

Bleh, that was a quote-fail on my part.  I meant the part about the Gnosis being shared at the end of the world needing a citation.  I don't recall it ever being said that the Gnosis would shared ever.  I need to dig further though.

To add some actual content, I don't actually think that Kellhus "spoke to Seswatha" in that scene, I feel like he really just hypnotized Akka and put in a subconscious imperative to share the Gnosis in order to override the Seswatha-placed one not to share it.

[themerchant]

It is thought by Akka in TWP (i think) perhaps when he leaves esmi and his camp, thinks something like didn't "Seswatha himself bid us to share" So my memory tells me, it may be wrong.

if you can search the books, i think a search for "seswatha himself bid" might turn it out.

[themerchant]

ok did the search myself, I was spot on (sorry for boasting but i've read TWP a lot)

"Hadn't Seswatha himself bid them share their arsenal before the shadow fell." is the quote no idea where in the book though, i suspect where i said though.

it's the bit where he is walking to the library with Daybreak after his argument with esmi about 45% into the book.

[H]

ok did the search myself, I was spot on (sorry for boasting but i've read TWP a lot)

"Hadn't Seswatha himself bid them share their arsenal before the shadow fell." is the quote no idea where in the book though, i suspect where i said though.

it's the bit where he is walking to the library with Daybreak after his argument with esmi about 45% into the book.

Yeah, you're right, I totally missed it before.  Mainly because I was searching for "Gnosis" which isn't mentioned at all there, only on the previous paragraph.

[themerchant]

ok did the search myself, I was spot on (sorry for boasting but i've read TWP a lot)

"Hadn't Seswatha himself bid them share their arsenal before the shadow fell." is the quote no idea where in the book though, i suspect where i said though.

it's the bit where he is walking to the library with Daybreak after his argument with esmi about 45% into the book.

Yeah, you're right, I totally missed it before.  Mainly because I was searching for "Gnosis" which isn't mentioned at all there, only on the previous paragraph.

Yeah fortunately my brain had "himself bid" as the memory, and that's the only time those two appear together in the whole book, made searching a lot easier

[H]

ok did the search myself, I was spot on (sorry for boasting but i've read TWP a lot)

"Hadn't Seswatha himself bid them share their arsenal before the shadow fell." is the quote no idea where in the book though, i suspect where i said though.

it's the bit where he is walking to the library with Daybreak after his argument with esmi about 45% into the book.

Yeah, you're right, I totally missed it before.  Mainly because I was searching for "Gnosis" which isn't mentioned at all there, only on the previous paragraph.

Yeah fortunately my brain had "himself bid" as the memory, and that's the only time those two appear together in the whole book, made searching a lot easier

Strong memory.  Mine is no where near that good, especially not for words like that.

[Wilshire]

I believe it is also mentioned off-hand in AE somewhere, but TWP quote was the one I was remember, as I probably read that line a week ago (though I doubt I would have been able to find it on my own search).

[Cnaiür vs Karsa vs Drogo]

The Cnaiur sections in chapter 5 confuse me. Is Cnaiur under Consult compulsion or has he consciously made an alliance with the Consult here.

 What is it that is nagging him that he cannot remember? He keeps saying he thinks he's forgetting something. Is he forgetting that serwe is dead, and that he's fucking a skin spy?

[MSJ]

The Cnaiur sections in chapter 5 confuse me. Is Cnaiur under Consult compulsion or has he consciously made an alliance with the Consult here.

 What is it that is nagging him that he cannot remember? He keeps saying he thinks he's forgetting something. Is he forgetting that serwe is dead, and that he's fucking a skin spy?

It's his decsent into madness. All he is worried about is killing the father (Moe). Has he aligned with the Consult? Not really? I mean they are after Kellhus and he basically hitches a ride with them because of SS Serwe, is how I always seen it. That question he asks himself over and over, "What am I forgetting?", has always bothered me also. Is it something Kellhus said to him? Is it the fact of killing Moe? Always intrigued me also.

[Wilshire]

Cnaiur forgets that he is supposed to be hunting Moenghus. Instead, he is sitting in some random city at the Dunyain's request, babysitting Conphas.

That, or he is forgetting that Kellhus wants to kill him, and he realizes that his stationing there is a deathtrap.

Either/or, i can't remember which one he finally settles on in his moment of revelation.