[Hirtius/Pansa]

*Looks back and into the other thread   Bollocks. lol  Honestly, because locke didn't cite where he found it I assumed it was just another excerpt from TGO and not TTT.  I was super elated to think I had found some new detail.  Well this is pretty embarrassing.

[Madness]

Lol - no worries .

[SilentRoamer]

Ok so thoughts:

Love the speculation on Serwa's intent. My initial reading was one that she was going to unleash fury but my subsequent read I was not so sure. A lot of reasons now (with the changed dynamics in Ishteribinth) for that not to be the case. Although I do expect that Metagnostic sorcery trumps Nonman Artifacts. Shae broke the Barricades wrought by Emilidis and he was only genius level intellect, not Dunyain level intellect. For all we know the Collars made by other Artificers might be like cheap knock offs.

I found the idea of some of the Mansions turning their backs on Men whilst others embraced them and the Mansions slow descent into Madness heartbreaking. For some reason I find the Ishteribinth scenes more tragically sad than horrifying.

The Tall are just awesomeness in a huge nutshell.

[MSJ]

Emidilis is the one who fashioned the collar. Serwa's singing will not be mundane. I see the argument for it, I just don't see that happening. I recall in her inner dialogue being led to the throne room, she said the time for singing (mundane) was over.

[Wic]

I've flip-flopped on the mundane/sorcerous singing. I don't believe the metagnosis can, by it's very nature, escape whatever trigger the agonic collar has, since to my understanding it's simply the addition of a second inutteral.

Only thing I can think is that Kellhus designed a spell specifically to break a collar, and taught it to Serwa as a contingency. An inutteral that masks the others maybe.

[themerchant]

I've not long finished, me recollection of that scene was she was about to use sorcery.

[locke]

I've flip-flopped on the mundane/sorcerous singing. I don't believe the metagnosis can, by it's very nature, escape whatever trigger the agonic collar has, since to my understanding it's simply the addition of a second inutteral.

Only thing I can think is that Kellhus designed a spell specifically to break a collar, and taught it to Serwa as a contingency. An inutteral that masks the others maybe.

Math thesis point spell used to overcome the barriers should be effective against other Emilidis manufactured artifacts such as the agonic collar.


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[locke]

Yeah it does seem a bit like setting up sorcery, could be just a cop out though.


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