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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Ajokli's Motivations
« on: October 17, 2017, 02:46:15 am »
i actually don't think the great ordeal was just a contrivance for ajokli. think on it! the ordeal is a feast unto itself, a host of the most damned souls the world has ever witness born of one dunyain's deceit. the whole ordeal is already a great meal for the four horned brother and he was about to feast on the rest of the world. the irony is that his avatar is a member of the tribe of 'truth'. the god that i think is being referenced is the no-god/ark/logos, all as the culmination of the absolute, if the field is burned then the no-god can't complete its function and read souls. greater too is that ajokli keeps cnair as a backup in case his plan goes awry which is why he refuses to join the counsult

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Ch. 1 & 2 Excerpts
« on: June 28, 2017, 05:56:48 am »
it was in the first book i believe and it was mentioned off-hand, though i could be wrong.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Ch. 1 & 2 Excerpts
« on: June 24, 2017, 11:12:47 pm »
sorry for the late response but here's what i meant by the whale mother issue.

See this whole time we worked under the assumption that fertility in earwa works that same as the way it does on earth, which is why the issue of whale mothers doesn't make sense, but in one line in chapter 2 of the unholy consult Kayutas states that women are soil for men's seed which is why Moenghus's assumption that he looks like Esmenet doesn't make since and also why he look mostly like Cnaiur and not Serwa. Everyone in earwa are their father's children.

in fact rereading the books there is almost never an example of a character looking like their mother, they always resemble their father. if we therefore follow with the assumption that men are the givers of life and women just carry the children to term than the conundrum we've been suffering makes sense. The reason why serwe and theli don't make sense in the face of our knowledge about the whale mothers is not because of some hereditary exception with them being half-dunyain allowing them to still be functional, instead there is no such thing as a half-dunyain. The children of Khellus are full dunyain born to poor soil i.e Esmenet, she is one of the few human to be fertile enough ground to carry one to term, most simply don't or are born deformed, but she is still poor ground for dunyain seed compared to a whale mother. In the case of the whale mothers the reason they can birth dunyain children without them so much as resembling whale mothers is because again children take on their fathers trait not their mothers. As for how whale mothers are made? i'm guessing there is one male germ amongst the duyain that carries the trait for wide hips and short limb and that germ is used to produce more whale mothers and nothing else, women born to whale mother but not having that trait i'm guessing are either made useful or disposed of. When you think about it, early in the series we have multiple people commenting on how khellus looks like celmomas, why is that? for the same reason as all the other people, they are their fathers children.

but one issue has been bothering me since following this train of thought, one splintering issue. the only person that i know of in the whole series to be described as looking like their mother is Mimara, and at first that was a hole in my reasoning. Then it hit me! Mimara does not look like Esmenet, she looks like Esmenet's father. Mimara is not just Esmenet's daughter she is also her sister, both are of the same father, it was even mentioned early in the series that Esmenet's father forced himself on her, Mimara is the child of rape/incest. This whole time the reason Esmi didn't want to tell Mimara the identity of her father is because it's her grandfather, and that realization would only be further heartbreak for Mimara, and in Mimara's mind another reason why Esmenet sold her, and another crime Mimara can levy on her. Worst if we follow that train Mimara is reenacting that very situation with Acha without even knowing it.       

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Ch. 1 & 2 Excerpts
« on: June 14, 2017, 05:13:32 am »
well we got our whale-mother answer. 

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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Whale Mothers
« on: May 23, 2017, 11:45:25 pm »
no more so in that she is not of the breeding strain, as in were she full dunyain she would have been scene as defective. it's strange i know but i think she and theilopia are really just expressions of a recessive duyain trait and the breeding with esmi made them more so.

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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Whale Mothers
« on: May 23, 2017, 03:02:16 am »
so i also wonder if all female dunyain are whale mothers? it is also stated that some dunyain bread for specific task but are genetic dead ends (as in they are not made to have children but to be workers), it could be also that the women who don't end up as whale mother are scene as defects and are just made to do other job or are treated as every other defects are. therefore it could be that serwe is just a defective dunyain, really not as illogical as people make it seem (especially since koringhus's son is also defective).

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The Great Ordeal / nin'janjin
« on: February 13, 2017, 09:37:33 am »
Anybody else glad that nin'janjin got his revenge at the end and that cujara got 'shafted' so to speak. Like honestly Cujara is kind of the architect of his own race's demise.

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The Great Ordeal / Anybody get the feeling mimara is the next no-god
« on: January 02, 2017, 07:46:08 am »
iv'e been re-reading the aspect emperor and one of the things that struck me is the objectivity that the judging eye imposes (especially combined with the chorea). by itself it "judges" you, becomes the cubit of your measure, it see's your life and the sentence of you soul, it see's your damnation. with the chorea it bring objectivity to reality, especially with the wight in cil-aujas, the eye and chorea just banishes it. i'm thinking that the way one creates a no-god is by somehow lashing a women with the judging eye to a sarcophagus of chorea, what extra steps are needed i'm not sure but essentially it creates a being that seals out the influence of the outside. i might be off base but the fact that the no-god causes still births also gnawed at me. if i'm right it almost replicating itself, the judging eye occurs with women who miscarry,  women who will go on to carry the eye who will themselves bring objectivity. that's why i think the consult want mimara alive she is the key to resurrecting the no-god and achamian is bring her to them. last the fact that the No-god asks what do you see, it's really a question only mimara can answer

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